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Munitions, but perhaps chemical or biological agents or even nuclear weapons, which is what he has been threatening these last few weeks. given that assessment, what should nato do with that information? i think we have to be pretty clear that there are certain lines we do not want to be crossed, and if we are talking about chemical agents being used, or an industrial facility being bombed then we need to reassess where we are in this conflict, at the worst of the escalation, i think we should give serious consideration to helping the ukrainians defeat the russians in ukraine. , ., , ., , ., u...

Going do that, do you mean military retaliation? >> i think then the president steps in and decides what's going to happen. >> okay. so right there, this goes to the point you were just making, does the administration have to be careful here about drawing red lines? >> well, i think it actually should be clear and one of the things that i think is a problem with unpredictability, this idea that the president doesn't telegraph his moves is that there could be grave miscalculation in pyongyang so, for example, if kim jong-un is sitting with his military advisors and says hey, i think the preside...

It is very, very bad and bad for our allies, south korea and japan and the statements are very inflammatory. they're horrible. we'll have to see. i don't like drawing red lines but i act if i have to act. >> bill: president trump will speak by telephone to russian president vladimir putin. the focus will largely be on the topic of syria. >> shannon: we have fox team coverage. former u.n. ambassador john bolton is standing by but we begin the roberts. >> 12:30 today the president will pick up the phone to talk to vladimir putin. the first time they spoke by telephone since the deadly train bomb...