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The real numbers. steven camerota director of research for the center of immigration studies and he joins us now. we hear all about the 800,000 under the daca program. but, if you look at the numbers, there are closer to almost 4 million illegal immigrants brought here as children in total. depending on what kind of deal is struck, could receive a level of amnesty. help us break down these numbers. >> look, the way the daca program worked you had to be under 16. you couldn't be over the age of 31. had you to supposedly at least have a high school or working towards a high school degree. that w...

Implement the high school requirement, you just have to be working towards some kind of g.e.d. or something like it. and that adds several hundred thousand people and, of course, it depends on the methodology you use to estimate these things. so it's very easy to get over 3 million, maybe 4 million people when you play with the numbers. and the dream acts in congress, the things actually that have been scored by the congressional budget office do look to have potentially 3 million, 4 million people. and that's before have you any fraud. rachel: so when i look at these numbers what i say is oka...

Contributor and great to see you both this tuesday morning. rich, what happens? what do you think? >> if reporting is correct they'll make this announcement with the six-month delay. a good compromise and reflects the fact that president was genuinely torn over this. he realizes correctly that this was an unconstitutional an illegal act by president obama to legislate on his own. but he feels sympathy for this population of illegal immigrants, as he should. so he is not ending it immediately. he is giving congress the opportunity to act and congress is the nation's law making authority. it sho...

College tuition, ending the death penalty, marriage equality, passing the dream acts. that's not spin. that's what actually happened in maryland. and the more people hear that, the more his message will be resonating across the country. i mean, you know, when he did the iowa j.j. dinner a couple weeks ago he was at 1%. now he's at 7%, a 700% increase. association the more people see him, they like him. his message will get out. and i think as we get our message out nationally, more people will gravitate towards him. >> reporter: i wonder if you're seeing an opening here, potentially, to in pol...

Them in las vegas that circulated on twitter and you see them there reading as he is doing the blanks and he has the person person personal moments. are you in the campaign advising them to go after them. >> he is a great plank er. what we're advising him and who what he knows is to introduce himself. he has a great story to tell. he is the only person on the stage that does not just have progressive values, but put them into action. passing the dream acts and signing into law and marriage equality. i could go on for ever and ever here. he would want shy away from the contrasts. there are some...