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Carolina. that's what happened in wisconsin. that's what happened in maryland. that's what our courts have to address. >> you said this is code for democrats can't win because they drew the lines wrong. explain what you mean. >> first of all, it's amazing -- where were all these voices before 2012 when there was state after state that had lines that had been drawn by democratic legislatures that were completely against republicans, including in north carolina, by the way? >> that's not true, though. >> the democrats controlled the state senate up until the 2010 election. >> that's not true. >>...

And so these are just examples of where someone can look at where the people are. and without looking at race can look and say, you know what, i'm going to draw a circle around those people and pack them in one place. >> i know you want to respond, dr. barber. let me say this -- sam says that north carolina is ground zero for gerrymandering, and that this isn't the first time they've gotten in trouble for how they've drawn these lines. >> no, that's exactly right. what's happening here, it is race. they tried to say it's partisanism, but that's a cover for racism. remember, the supreme court...

Ruling will play in these upcoming midterms? do you think it'll change anything? >> first, i'm from south carolina, don. i think that this ruling will play -- >> close enough. sorry. >> thank you. it is close enough. i do think that this ruling's huge. i think the decision that came down was monumental, not just for what we saw in north carolina, but for what you see going on right now in wisconsin and what you see going on in maryland. the fact is, this is not a part issue. i had a conversation today with former attorney general eric holder who's now championing along with barack obama the na...

Down was monumental, not just for what we saw in north carolina, but for what you see going on right now in wisconsin and maryland. this is not a partisan issue. i had a conversation today with former attorney general eric holder who's now championing along with barack obama the national democratic redistricting committee. some of the initiatives they're pushing for such as an independent commission to draw lines is not really a partisan issue. we have to begin to have fair lines that reflect the will of the people, or else you'll have things like reverend dr. barber talked about earlier, whic...

Administration, the congress am blackhaw -- congressional black caucus working together. many of those members would defend having majority/minority districts in the south. now what we're quibbling over is how many minority voters are there in these districts. there's a lot more to the story than what was just talked about. >> that doesn't mean it's right. that you're saying this is democrats, they're saying republicans do it, as well. bacari, you said he's right about the cdc but wrong in 2012. i've been at cnn since 2006 and people have been talking about gerrymandering at a national level. ...