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Where clear proof has been offered to something that i and many other technical civil rights campaigners have been speaking about over the last five years and that the oversight of this process is done in secret, the policy is secret. it's not a case of looking at a particular suspect and deciding to apply surveillance to them as we once did in the past, but rather, a just bulk, arbitrary driftnet phishing across not just americans, but essentially the whole of the human race. >> the u.s. government, as you know, and president obama himself said look, we're not listening to americans' phone co...

What do you make of the leaks that he made to "the guardian" and the "washington post"? >> here we have a situation where clear proof has been offered to something that i and many other technical civil rights campaigners have been speaking about over the last five years and that the oversight of this process is done in secret, the policy is secret. it's not a case of looking at a particular suspect and deciding to apply surveillance to them as we once did in the past, but rather, a just bulk, arbitrary driftnet phishing across not just americans, but essentially the whole of the human race. >>...

Many other technical civil rights campaigners have been speaking about over the last five years and that the oversight of this process is done in secret, the policy is secr secret. it's not a case of looking at a particular suspect and deciding to apply surveillance to them as we once did in the past, but rather, a just bulk, arbitrary driftnet phishing across not just americans, but essentially the whole of the human race. >> the u.s. government, as you know, and president obama himself said look, we're not listening to americans' phone conversations. this is kind of data-mining. this gives a...