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But as somebody who is going to see you as a suspect or somebody to be feared. how is that played out for you guys both while you're still in school but also now that you're working? >> police in chicago for a while i was driving lyft. while i was still in college i'd come home weekends and drive lyft. i was getting pulled over like crazy. almost every night i was getting pulled over. the first question they asked and i asked how you doing, officer, how's it going, their first question any drugs or weapons in the car. granted i am a big black guy with locks, you know. first thing they see. i'm...

Working? >> police in chicago for awhile i was driving lyft. for a while i would come home weekends and drive lyft and i was getting pulled over like crazy. almost every night i was getting pulled over. but the first question they ask and i asked how are you doing, officer? how is it going? the first question any drugs or weapons in the car? granted i'm a big black guy, you know, with locks and first thing they see just suspicious but as i was telling the guys, i got to make it home to my family. i can't be another case where some officer have his knee on my neck choking me out. so my biggest ...

As a positive force to protect but, as somebody who is gonna see you as -- as a suspect or -- or some -- somebody to be feared. i -- how's that played out, for you guys? both, while you are still in school but also now that you're working. >> police in chicago, for a while, i was driving lyft. while i was still in college. i'd come home weekends, drive lyft. >> uh-huh. >> and i was getting pulled over, like crazy. almost every night, i was getting pulled over. but the first question they asked and i asked how you doing, officer? how's it going? they first question, any drugs or weapons in the ...

Young black men, you know, experience police not as a positive force to protect but as somebody who is going to see you as a suspect or somebody to be feared. how has that played out for you guys both while you're still in school but also now that you're working? >> police in chicago for awhile i was driving lyft. come home week ends and drive lyft and i was getting pulled over like crazy. almost every night i was getting pulled over. but the first question they ask and i asked how are you doing, officer? how is it going? the first question any drugs or weapons in the car? granted i'm a big bl...

To me at a speech that he gave in miami, before i actually knew him personally, he gave a speech and he talked about the fact that politics is where you put the wedge in, right? and if the wedge is in between the very rich and the middle class, so that the middle class feel more related to the poor, they feel like they're in the same boat as the poor, people tend to vote for a democratic president. but if you put the wedge in between the middle class and the poor so that the middle class identifies with the rich, they identify upward, saying that could be me, that could be me at any time, they...