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>> -- isn't in the national interest. >> it doesn't. and us water boarding three terrorists in 2002 and three doesn't. i'll tell you what does contribute to an endless cycle of hatred and what does create new terrorists every day, when drone bombs are dropped on entire families and you're willing to kill 15, 16 innocent people to kill the one bad guy because you don't want to do what we did with khalid shaikh mohammed, which is do a lot of really good, hard intel work, find out what neighborhood he's in in karachi, go in, grab him, pull him out, save everybody that he's living with, take him t...

Not one nazi uniform. >> you didn't go out on sunday afternoons. >> yeah, i do. >> no, i did. everywhere and bush hated the constitution and bush was trashing the constitution and bush should be up for war crimes. it was a constant, constant droning that i just shrugged my shoulders and said -- >> wait. there -- during the bush administration, there were legitimate issues having to do with constitutionality or not you could argue. the prosecution of the iraq war. >> and president obama has carried out most of the foreign policy that ignited the rage of the left. that's sort of funny. >> includ...

And afghanistan, american interests are being undermined in ways our leaders in washington cannot even fathom. considering just how badly we have misplayed our hand in that part of the world, now might be a good time to bet on freedom that does not spring from the end of an american gun. >> john, our policy in pakistan and -- and parts of afghanistan where we drop drone bombs on, you know, homes to kill one terrorist but end up killing 15 family members -- >> right. >> -- it's having devastating -- devastating impacts. >> generational impact. >> a generational impact that will haunt us for the...