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But not in the president's personal popularity. for the average american he is still a likeable guy. on drones, the president says he wants new rules for the use of drones but he is recognizing that this is a weapon that we have to be careful about. i think he's got some support there for both sides of that opposition. >> when you look at that number, david, what jumps off the page, at least to me, is not an approval of the drone program, but just the idea -- ordinary americans look at the drone program and say to themselves, i think this means fewer of our people dying on the ground. don't yo...

Out his thought process there. the drone issue is a tough one i have a tough time thinking about. i'm horrified when i read about the collateral damage, the civilians killed from there. also, i have the thought of, you know, what does that do to our image in pakistan or any country. i think we have the data. if you look at pakistan polls about the u.s. image in pakistan at the start of the obama presidency favorable image was 16%. it was 16%. it's down to 11%. one of the great hopes of the obama presidency is that our image around the world and in countries like pakistan it would improve. i st...

Drone issue. >> yes. >> drones weren't started by the obama administration. >> no, no. >> there were drone attacks during the bush years. do you think there is a problem with what the president has done in terms of going after al awlaki? >> a drone is nothing but an airplane without a pilot. >> right. >> and the pilot ons the ground instead of in the airplane flying that thing. so the technology is here. it is going to be used by countries. it's going to be used by private organizations. >> but you used it right? >> yes indeed. we had very few when i came into office. they were increased and t...

Saying, wait a minute, we can't kill u.s. citizens without due process? >> right, i think there's no question that if john mccain had won the election in 2008 or mitt romney had won it in 2012 that liberals would be screaming about this stuff and saying, you know, that -- there would be this thing, war crimes, we should do impeachment and the reality is that i think a lot of people -- and i think this is sincere. a lot of people so fed up with the iraq war, perceived as the sort of crimes of the bush administration they wanted it to end and the obama administration has sold people a bill of go...

On the drone issue, for instance, on public security issues, on airport and cctv to think about this in a more -- to really be more thoughtful about this.