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In egypt and now you see the consequences of that and what's happened there. they have not been -- they won't even use the word "terror." they have withdrawn politically from the engagement and fight. yeah, sure, they're going after bad guys with drone programs, but that is not a comprehensive policy -- >> but, rick, i have not, if you've watched my show, in the business of defending barack obama. but if you talk to people in the intelligence community, they will tell you that al qaeda is busted, it's broken, it's splintered. there is a reason right now that they're in yemen, because they've b...

Consequences of that and what's happened there. they have not been -- they won't even use the word "terror." they have withdrawn politically from the engagement and fight. yeah, sure, they're going after bad guys with drone programs, but that is not a comprehensive policy -- >> but, rick, i have not, if you've watched my show, in the business of defending barack obama. but if you talk to people in the intelligence community, they will tell you that al qaeda is busted, it's broken, it's splintered. there is a reason right now that they're in yemen, because they've been chased out of afghanistan...

Mistakes made in benghazi. >> look, drone policy is one policy. what we've seen is an administration that has refused to confront radical islam, that embraced the muslim brotherhood in egypt and now you see the consequences of that and what's happened there. they have not been -- they won't even use the word "terror." they have withdrawn politically from the engagement and fight. yeah, sure, they're going after bad guys with drone programs, but that is not a comprehensive policy -- >> but, rick, i have not, if you've watched my show, i'm not in the business of defending barack obama. but if yo...

>> you know, it's really hard to tell at this point. it's, you know, when you look at, for instance, you know, the disclosure of the court order on verizon, you know, it's hard to know what damage that would have done to the program. in terms of the prism slides that have, you know, leaked, you know, we don't know what we don't know and the u.s. officials are saying that there has been damage. i guess we'll keep reporting on that certainly. i do want to sort of go back to andrea's point which is a good one, which is when you talk about oversight with congress, whether it's on drones or whether...

Results of their actions. it's really more intimate for us. we see everything. we see the before, action, then after. i watched this guy -- i watched him bleed out. i watched the result of, i guess, collectively it was our action, but i'm the responsible one that guides the missile in. >> you put the laser on him and now he's dead. >> correct. >> do you think that he was a combatant? >> i have my serious doubts now, but i didn't really question the voices in my head. >> nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel. speaking to a man in the united states air force, helped kill people using d...