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The drone thing. that has nothing to do with what he did. but we're here talking about -- >> well, but it's about america's war on terror, right? and how do you best get the information you need and get the bad guys to stop? >> yeah, but you don't -- that is the question. how do you get the best information you can, to get the bad guys to stop. clearly, what you don't do is do it with rectal hydrating and waterboarding. there is some question people say save lives. i want to know, did it cost lives. you have people cooperating with interrogators, and you wasted huge amounts of time on interrog...

-- slaves. >> in today's terms? >> then the drone thing, it makes it sound like the big bad guys are the ones who use drones. of course that would be the u.s. and the west against terrorism. i don't like the comparison. put it that way. >> do you believe that is fair to what moses did? >> no. he certainly wasn't thinking about drones. he was a freedom fighter, no doubt. but a freedom fighter called by god to go up against an empire that was keeping the hebrew people enslaved. >> i guess when you hear the word terrorist now. because you're saying drones. you're looking in the past, not looking ...

>> he does. and i don't disagree with that. and i believe that that has undermined -- look, there's soft power and there's hard power. okay? and soft power is look, we want to persuade you and if you do it we'll help you out. and hard power is if you don't do it we'll hurt you. he doesn't use hard power. except with the drone thing. that's the exception to the rule. all right. now, cam rorngs let's go over to you. i understand that iran is now saying they're not going to live up to the original nuke deal they agreed to. frame that for me. >> the question is whether or not they're going to. and...

>> that's always been the case with "60 minutes." bob woodward writes a book and wants to go on "60 minutes" first. >> it's by far the highest rated news program on american television. >> it's one of the greatest news shows in the history of television why i hold it to such a high standard. >> there's a difference between giving a celebrity releasing a movie, 12-minute segments. these are long segments. they have time to press these people. when a secretive person -- journalist would kill to get a minute let alone the access he had and he got to promote this drone story that was on everywhere...

Field early on a big regulatory fight that's going to come down about commercial use of drones. senator jay rockefeller is calling a drone hearing. amazon's plans for using drones to deliver packages is just one example of the potential this technology offers consumers, a reflection of the uningenuity of american business." josh. >> i think the drone thing is interesting. i don't know whether this specific thing is going to work. i should disclose by the way, as we do, jeff bezos invests in business insider through his personal investment vehicle. but i think regardless of how it works, rapid ...