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Allowed isis to sweep into iraq and afghanistan prior to 9/11 that allowed the establishment of training camps used against us in the 9/11 attacks. so we've got to have that piece of the plan in place. it doesn't mean there is not a role for the military. a lot of these isis thugs need to be killed. dropping bombs and at some point perhaps sending in advisory troops is needed but we've got to have a serious long term strategy, plan if we're ever going to see this through. by the way, we have to talk about things like social media. isis is recruiting people around the globe including right here...

Use the refugee program to gain access to america and terrorize us. the federal government is unable to properly vet individuals to tell us with certainty that individual a and b and c aren't terrorist threats. we are debating 10,000 syrian refugees. what about millions we could help by doing something greater, the largest humanitarian victory we can deliver is wiping isis off the face of the earth. dropping bombs on their lap, putting rounds in their forehead. >> our commander in chief isn't going to do that. by the way, if we want to spend money on them, why not spend it on the va, on vetera...

Need very good leadership, and a clear strategy and clear rules of engagement and coordination. >> can you think of a coalition that the united states was involved in that it didn't lead? >> i cannot think of one. i would not want to be involved in one with our military forces that we weren't leading. i can't imagine otherwise. >> so then, i sort of take it a step further, if you can't imagine that, can you imagine russia getting involved in a coalition that they would allow the united states to lead? >> that's hard to imagine also. there may have to be some type of other arrangement here. obv...

Served four tours in iraq. thank you very much for your time here tonight. >> it's good to be here. >> so you've spent some time four tours in iraq. you were are talking again about an organization, isis that started out by fighting mostly marines in iraq. do marines need to go back and fight this group again? no one seems to have the stomach for that. >> well, look, no one wants to put troops back into the middle east, but i've been clear for some time that will isis is a national security threat to the united states and we need to have a serious long-term and comprehensive strategy to defeat...

That's the point. what a difference one event can make. look what's going on in the united states right now. politicians calling for a heavy military force on the ground in syria. . calling to not let any syrian refugees in. obviously, what happened here is certainly reverberating in the united states. >> we have martin savidge on that. we'll talk to him later as one of the threats of this massive story. coming up, we have to explore the revenge. france. dropping bombs on isis as the french president says they are at war. but he also says he will be meeting not only with president obama, but a...