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Health because people don't want to die. people don't want to be sick. contrary to what everybody says, people who use drugs are human beings, and they want the same thing every other human being wants. >> giving them a chance to use safely has a long history of controversy. is it saving lives or enabling even more drug usage? in the '80s and '90s, it was a debate about usage or consumption sites or safe places to use like this bathroom in new york. and lately it's about fentanyl test strips. researchers will tell you that the evidence shows that harm reduction works. >> the question that will...

Controversy. is it saving lives or enabling even more drug usage? in the 1980s and '90s, it was about needle usage. now it is about safe spaces to use. like this bathroom in new york. and lately it's about fentanyl test strips. researchers will tell you that the evidence shows harm reduction works. >> the question that will always come up, does this actually save lives? does this prevent deaths? do we know that? >> we don't know that yet. but what we are seeing is that people are using more safely. they're more aware of what's going on. >> john studies the compact of fentanyl test strips. >> w...

Can rescue someone from an overdose. as you are watching, in this extraordinary video. even better, though, preventing the overdose in the first place. >> it's just a little test strip. they're really easy to use them. >> why are people testing them? >> drug users care about their health because people don't want to die. because people don't want to be sick. contrary to what everyone says, people that use drugs are human beings. and they want the same thing that every other human being wants. >> reporter: giving users a chance to use safely has a long history of controversy. is it saving lives...

Don't criminalize people that need our help and our care -- >> laura: if they are committing crimes, they have to -- >> it doesn't fix anything, because the reason -- >> laura: charlie -- >> it's even worse than that. san francisco is distributing syringes to drug addicts on the streets. that's not criminalizing, that is subsidizing drug usage. and you can see it firsthand. ethan, look, you are very smart and i have respect for you. there is no way you are part of the democratic rulers of san francisco right now. as one of america's greatest cities that is falling apart and ripping at the seam...

Broken windows theory here because prop 47 is not the issue. don't criminalize people that need our help and our care.we at now in our state. >> laura: if they are committing crimes, they haveto . >> it doesn't fix anything because the reason -- >> laura: charlie -- >> ethan, it's even worse than that. san francisco is distributing syringes to drug addicts on the streets.hundreds of thousands og accessoryy tools. that's not criminalizing, that is subsidizing drug usage. and you can see it firsthand. ethan, look, you are very smart and i have respect for you. there is no way you are part of the...