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Witnesses. you could cross-examine. if it becomes a real official due process hearing. but this is not. the interesting part under part of this is that intel which is closed-door. my correct about that? >> you are correct, and the house roses was to be judiciary. she pulled it out and put it with adam schiff who is a common denominator of all the lies. that is why you did not get the transcript in the hearing that took place, if you did you would've heard there's no quid pro quo. the other thing when you look at this, why can't the president have subpoena power like the minority had when bill ...

If it becomes a real official due process hearing. but this is not. the interesting part under part of this is that intel which is closed-door. my correct about that? >> you are correct, and the house roses was to be judiciary. she pulled it out and put it with adam schiff who is a common denominator of all the lies. that is why you did not get the transcript in the hearing that took place, if you did you would've heard there's no quid pro quo. the other thing when you look at this, why can't the president have subpoena power like the minority had when bill clinton was going forward. >> why ca...

Full, due process hearing. we don't prejudge the cases. we don't make assumptions. when i was a judge, the most important thing was trying to get people represented by counsel. that's critical in a case with children. children can't really proceed by themselves in accordance with due process. it should be a full, fair hearing before a judge who is an expert in not only due process, but also an expert in asylum law, protection law, and the convention against torture, and other parts of the immigration laws. >> what's the danger, paul, if we don't? if we don't presume -- in fact, i want to bring...

>> we substantial doubt firm on our principles that protecting student's privacy is important. while we hope to reach a settlement, we would be willing to have that due process hearing, a full hearing on this matter to be sorted out. we believe that, again, our pofgs is one that stands on principles for privacy. >> thank you for being here, sir. all the best to you. >> thank you. >> well, my next guest sees things very differently. richard, thank you for being here. he's an academic so he speaks in academic. but you could hear the point that he's trying to make. he's trying to be respectful of...

Our analysts. welcome both. paul, what do you suppose will happen today. >> >> well i'm very surprised that the talk is that maybe he loses his job so quickly. usually when it is a public employee involved there is sort of a due process hearing, extensive process that goes on. he may be suspended while the investigation continues. but i must say the film here seems to so clearly depict a use of excessive force they suspect in the end he will be facing either termination or at least a lengthy suspension and discipline. >> laura, people who are standing up for the officer, say the student in que...