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Interviews, however non, you know, thorough they may have been, but if there's not discipline corroboration, how can you vote against him on these grounds? that's a due process question that some senators are wrestling with tonight. >> and i think -- and that goes to gloria, what you mentioned about susan collins. she was seen going into the secure room three times is what i saw reporters talking about to read the report. three times. i mean, what does that -- clearly, it tells me that she's, i don't know, struggling -- i don't want to apply that to her, but that's what it almost feels like. >...

Believe -- i'm reading into this the -- that this is just boys will be boys behavior that explains some of the anger that you see there and the mocking and even the sample poll groups that we've seen, like the women. do you remember the round table the of women that cnn held about a week or two ago people were making fun of. they just said, i don't get it. boys will be boys. there's the due process question that john talked about it, but i'm sure a lot of other people feel maybe he's not getting due process because there are no corroborators. but they're not talking to the potential corroborat...

Innocent. what do you say to that? >> on the due process question, in the two years i was there, there were no due process issues. members had the right to address this board that voted on whether the case should move forward. they couldn't be compelled to testified. they couldn't be subpoenaed for documents, all the involvement was voluntarily. they retained council. there really was no due process, there were no due process violations at all. and in terms of the findings being published, i mean, these are the facts. the facts are the facts, right? if someone went on a trip and it was paid fo...

Had his materials found on them. i agree with you that we as progressives bear an extra burden in the post bush administration ir ra of trying to make what we do as transparent as possible and rebuild trust in government. we believe in government. i would like to see more of that. i wouldn't have any problem with seeing more evidence of whyal awlaki was not just a very, very troublesome prop pa began difficulty but an operational leader? >> there were a couple of questions that popped in the head. on the due process question, it seems to me that we are becoming increasingly comfortable with th...

November elections. >> i think it is a due process question. i don't think that you -- you know, allow information to come out from the oce, the first committee that listens to this or hears this. they -- this is a committee that's recently formed in congress. where they can take complaints from anybody, the newspapers, what have you. and they can only hold that report for a year. and i don't think that you sit there and let them hold it for a year. >> democratic representative charlie rangel also faces ethics charges in the house. they say clothes make the man. is there one particular color...