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>> okay.de so, what>> kind of message does that sendes to nonstate actors d to governments who want to thwart or mess around with the 2020 election, not just russia, but iran and china and other places? >> well,er no, i mean, fact of e matter is, trump has made it clear. there have been a lot of things that he's done behind the scenes to russia. he's actually had a policy, especially on the energy front, that has been very damaging to putin. again, i would say the russians have been meddling for decades in ourdd elections. i would like to see that it would be significant consequences behind th...

We're legitimizing his rule. it's a big win for kim. to invite him to the white house when north korea has not taken a single step towards denuclearization? i think this is a big win for kim and not for us. >> due think, sue, it's realistic that we'll see steps towards denuclearization given the flip the way they've approached this entire strategy? >> if our goal is denuclearization, we're not going to get there. but i do think an interim deal is possible with north korea. for example, kim could offer president trump -- for sanctions relief. president trump hinted that we're going to give sanc...