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I got -- check. >> you hear the president saying i'll pay cash. and cohen says no, no, no. and then the word check. what the other side says. this is what primeau says. you see it on your screen right now. this is how he believes he recognizes the sound. rudy giuliani, i told him what your findings were, and he had a response. and i want to put that up for the audience, please. we had it written up in the interest of fairness. "dueling experts can come to different conclusions. in context, using cash would make no sense because the transaction is between corporations." now, i want to remind yo...

>> what financing? >> well, i'll have to pay him something. >> pay with cash -- >> no, no, no. i got -- check. >> you hear the president saying i'll pay cash. and cohen says no, no, no. and then the word check. what the other side says. this is what primeau says. you see it on your screen right now. this is how he believes he recognizes the sound. rudy giuliani, i told him what your findings were, and he had a response. and i want to put that up for the audience, please. we had it written up in the interest of fairness. "dueling experts can come to different conclusions. in context, using cash...

>> what do you think trump says about cash? >> i'm hearing the words so we will pay with cash or so i will pay with cash. then cohen comes back with the no, no, no, right after that. >> so that's how you believe that you hear it. >> so trump's lawyer, rudy giuliani, says, well, dueling experts can come to different conclusions. how do you see this tape complicating the legal matters for trump's team? >> the fact is, it doesn't much matter whether it was cash or check. giuliani is saying the fact that trump wanted it paid by check means he has nothing to hide and that he is not -- it's exculpat...

With cash. now, let's be fair. rudy's right. dueling experts -- i've been in so many cases and so have you where experts come to different conclusions and the jury has to avail themselves of a lot of argument about context and what makes sense. is it fair to argue in this case that someone equally qualified to you, mr. primeau, could hear it and say eh, could be, do not pay with cash. >> it's fair to say that, chris. and if you consider the fact that there's two people talking, they're different proximities away from the recorder. when i listened to this key part of conversation, i can hear th...

If the jury is allowed to hear trayvon martin basically begging for his life, it's going to be real clear who the true victim was here. correspondingly, if the jury hears that expert testimony hear george zimmerman say "these shall be" that's going to sound like a self-appointed vigilante and executioner. >> yet, the jury would still have to believe it, would still have to believe this audio analysis. so does this become a very important case of dueling experts if it's allowed in? >> exactly as you describe it. dueling experts. no doubt there's going to be controversy today, but what judges of...