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Where do they stand? >> yeah, bret. this ching is still a mess. and i think the democrats are having problems because they are trying to pass legislation built for majorities they don't have. the biggest thing they are dealing with here is they are in control of a 50/50 senate. it's not even a majority but it's a majority because they have the vice president's ty breaking vote. in the house they have a five seat majority. that is nothing. it is not a governing majority. and what they can't get over is that they have centrists and liberals on opposite sides of the page and nobody wants to give ...

Today as the first step. there will be many critics of joe manchin. many people that will protest joe manchin. and that is what it is. and that's the reality. and those that are going to pursue that should continue to pursue that. i'm not going to kritcriticize . our path wau way forward is to continue a dialogue. the dialogue may reach a dead end. and joe manchin is fairly well dug n but the fact that he is dug in, we appeal to him to reconsider his position. >> okay. thank you. come back, okay? come back right after the next meeting. >> any time. thank you. >> all right. take good care. we...