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So we're talking about live weapons here. >> so the weapons are the same as the ones that you and i would buy for home safety, there's no difference between this revolver and a revolver that would shoot real bullets? >> right. i have one here, which according to what i've heard about the show, it's a western, so i'm going to say that we've probably got a weapon here that is going to be approximating what he was shooting, if it was a pistol. it could have been a rifle, it could have been a shotgun, i don't know that, i don't have that information. but i can tell you that these are the type weap...

Hollywood, the manufacturer is out there. >> they come without the bullets, you don't have to take the bullets off? >> no, they come out. as a matter of fact, here is a box of ammunition. >> and those are blanks. >> you can see there's 50 rounds in here. these are all blanks. >> i really appreciate this, by the way. for something to have blown through this young woman, literally gone through her and hit somebody else, is there any way that a bank could have done that? >> no. not at all. as a matter of fact, one of our protocols -- yes, it would have to be a solid projectile to do that.

Asked. of course i don't know what happened in this instance. on this movie set. but with my brother, you know, they were hugely negligent. they ran out of dummy bullets. bill was talking about the dummy bullets that look like real bullets but they don't have any gunpowder in them. they ran out of those for close-ups of the gun on the set of "the crow." so in order to get the shot they needed, they went and bought live ammunition. >> the other aspect that bill brought up, and we don't know the details in this situation, is that actors are told you never point a gun at somebody else even if it ...

Blanks. so we're talking about live weapons here. >> so the weapons are the same as the ones that you and i would buy for home safety, there's no difference between this revolver and a revolver that would shoot real bullets? >> right. i have one here, which according to what i've heard about the show, it's a western, so i'm going to say that we've probably got a weapon here that is going to be approximating what he was shooting, if it was a pistol. it could have been a rifle, it could have been a shotgun, i don't know that, i don't have that information. but i can tell you that these are the t...

Impact on people's lives. even though he was only 28 years old, i just hope there's a measure of solace in that, that those were 28 years that wound up lasting a very long time, even my son's generation, he's 15, look at him and the work that he did. so the legacy lives on. help me understand this as a movie insider. bill davis, the guy i just had on, he's been doing this in movies forever, he's a former homicide detective. how do real bullets find their way onto a movie set when they have no value there? >> well, i mean, it's a good question and a question that is definitely going to need to ...