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Official powers to advance your personal interests. >> chuck, how much of your life's work of this order by the president go against? how red a line does it cross in your view that he's releasing material germane to the investigation into his administration is. >> it's enormously perplexing and damaging and disheartening, brian. look, there's an immediateis. >> it's enormously perplexing and damaging and disheartening, brian. look, there's an immediate danger to the case. to this particular case and to the investigation that matt miller is talking about but there's also a long-term institution...

Life's work of this order by the president go against? how red a line does it cross, in your view, that he's releasing material germane to the investigation into his administration? >> it's enormously perplexing and damaging and disheartening, brian. look, there's an immediate danger to the case. to this particular case and to the investigation that matt miller is talking about but there's also a long-term institutional damage. for instance, we share information, intelligence information, with allies around the world. including our closest allies. the uk, the canadians, the australians, new ze...

Information, with allies around the world. including our closest allies. the uk, the canadians, the australians, new zealand. we have information-sharing protocols and now suddenly, our allies, our best allies in the intelligence world, see us dumping information into the public sphere for partisan political reasons. and so how likely are they to trust us in the future with the most important stuff they have? and the answer is, not very likely. so there's damage to the immediate case and there's damage to our long-term institutional interests as part of a larger intelligence community. very di...

And forceful in their statements and tell the public early on what was happening. >> michael? >> yes. and as we report in the book, there were people on the white house staff who believed very strongly that if you don't strike back in real time, you're going to -- you're sending a signal that they can get away with it. michael daniel, cyber security coordinator developed these creative options for going after the russians, shutting down their news sites, dumping information, information about putin's corruption and secret bank accounts in latvia. obama's national security director calls him in...

>> do you even have a guess how long it will take for you to get information that you can give to the american people to substantiate any of this? >> here is the challenge, chris, and i feel a real sense of urgency, i think we all do, but this is a very big, complicated investigation. after all it involves a russian hacking operation, the cyber evidence that goes into that, the dumping information, the use of cutouts, use of wikileaks, the use of its propaganda arm, all of the issues that i think most people are concerned with about collusion. my gop colleagues want to investigate the leaks, d...