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Continue? >> let me finish. again, a lot of these men were not kneeling. they were praying. a lot of these men had their backs against the wall. they don't want to be there in that scenario. jesse: if you say they are praying and everybody else says they are kneeling, no one knows what they are protesting or what they are doing. and that's on them for being unclear. >> they aren't being unclear. >> i didn't know they were praying. >> i am telling you they were. i talked to them. and i respect your show because you have a sound mind and a balanced mind. you go to places where i haven't seen a l...

Cable subscriptions and burning team attire and tickets. >> my jersey is gone. i'm done with the nfl. >> i thought about giving away my tickets or selling them. so i will make my own sacrifice. jesse: that's pretty intense to burn your season tickets. those cost a lot of money. do you understand the fan outrage, especially veterans that are upset with the kneeling during anthem. >> we have to understand both sides. we are americans. we have to lead with empathy, this situation is just unfortunate. is this argument about the six players who were kneeling two weeks ago or about the entire league...

Jesse: jack brewer and i were talking about kneeling. he said a lot of the players were kneeling in prayer. does that change at all your opinion about their motivations with regards to the kneeling? >> i'll tell you, i was listening to that interview and i was very confused. before a game the university of tennessee to this dave a minister who offered a prayer. but when it's time for the national anthem everyone is standing and they are at attention. if you are a veteran you are authorized to salute. what was so upsetting for me when i looked at the game played last week sunday in london, engl...

Against the president after he called them sons of pitches. jesse: is that why the players were kneeling? >> i talked to several players. i'm telling you what their intentions were. when you look at these players, most of which aren't even kneeling, they are praying. this was a contentious situation. and remember these men are from neighborhoods where they are representing communities and people. so we are now as a nation telling them what they are standing for. and i don't think that's right. jesse: everybody knows you stand for the anthem to pay respect for the service members who died defen...

Against the president after he called them sons of pitches. jesse: is that why the players were kneeling? >> i talked to several players. i'm telling you what their intentions were. when you look at these players, most of which aren't even kneeling, they are praying. this was a contentious situation. and remember these men are from neighborhoods where they are representing communities and people. so we are now as a nation telling them what they are standing for. and i don't think that's right. jesse: everybody knows you stand for the anthem to pay respect for the service members who died defen...