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Trying to peel back obama's bad bill but nobody on either side of the ledger at this point is actually trying to update the american health care system in a way that reduce costs, adds efficiency, and creates more coverage. and that really is the most frustrating thing. >> i would differ just a little bit on a point on this. part of the reason they aren't going further to make real changes to try and create a very new system is because the reconciliation process doesn't allow that. the things you're talking about, and they are good things, they're things i frankly support, are things that have...

White house and the president himself, we were told, has -- they've been sort of told to back off and that the senate majority leader kind of wanted to handle it himself this time, got a little bit messed up for lots of reasons. but the house was a little bit messy when the process went through the house. and the fact that the president is reaching out to people like rand paul, you know, maybe it's because, you know, they know each other, they've known each other since the campaign and they have that kind of relationship, or maybe he's, you know, inserting himself in another way. who can blame...

Public this morning, that he would be talking to a number of his members and arrange some of whom will say, gee, guess i can't vote for it now as dana says, that's leverage. but also, there's other members. and he wants to make sure he can get to 50. he hopes to get to 52, frankly, but he wants to get his members set so they can move forward and start the changeover from the aca to a system where there will be more choices for families, for patients, and for individuals. that's the crux here, the big crux of the matter. and he's trying to find a starti starting point in that by moving this bil...

Be banging his door down in the hallways asking what was happening in these talks. >> let me introduce these two to everyone else. david used to serve as chief of staff to house speaker paul ryan. he is currently senior consultant for the one nation health coalition. also with us, we have business analyst dylan ratagan, so david to you on dana's point on leverage and all the knocks that will be on, presumably, mitch mcconnell's door, how will this work so far with these four no's for now? >> well, i think it's helpful to understand it's not just these four. there's another group of members, pr...