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Now. >> it was a very different city and it was very much more tense racially between all of the different groups. >> oh, my goodness yes. >> it was just a whole different place. do you ever get the feeling, especially when you're in brooklyn, that's super jent fied and has this super different image, cabs will take you there for one thing, how new york slid from being that racially polarized dynamic to being, if not -- that's not fixed, but at least more self aware and is there an instruction there for the rest of the country? >> that's really interesting. i think one ofhe things honestly is ...