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Criminal consequences for lying to the state of new york. >> yes. we don't know exactly what happened, but it is possible that a state prosecutor could say, there were state law violences here, too. they will let the federal prosecution take the course, be new a world where he would pardon manafort, it wouldn't shock me if state attorney generals say, let me pick up where he left off. >> carter page was on last night talking about this. i want to play you what carter page had to say. >> yes or no. were you in chains with papadopoulos? >> probably a few, yeah. >> were you in e-mail chains with ...

Requests for the meeting with donald trump. and that was carter page. >> right. and carter page, and corey lewandowski were both on tvn the last 24 hours. let's play a little of what they had to say. and we can talk about night yes or no, like were you in e-mail chains with papadopoulos? >> probably a few, yeah. >> were you in e-mail chains about him about russia? >> it may have come up from time to time, again, you know, there is nothing -- nothing major. >> as the campaign manager to the trump campaign i was receiving thousands of e-mails a day. i don't know if that was specifically referrin...

And the propaganda, if you look at radio free europe in late september, this -- part of the grand premiere, the world premiere of the dodgy dossier are the false accusations courtesy of radio free europe with the broadcasting board of governors. it will be interesting to see how that plays out. this is -- everything that they're talking about in the january 6 intel report is accurate. just i'm speaking about it firsthand in terms of accurate as to u.s. government influence. >> let me just establish. so you and papadopoulos, you probably were on e-mail chains together, right? >> perhaps, yeah. ...

Really big challenge for him is he is not the only person who attended that meeting, he is not the only account he will get access to. the russian-american lobbyist has already been to the grand jury and testified for several hours and he's obviously someone with no apparent interests of the president to protect. >> that's a great point. so you're not just spinning about a story about what you were doing alone in your car. you've got people that they can cross-reference. there's two loose threads out of that meeting that i think of. the e-mail chain suggests the possibility, strongly suggests ...

There's two loose threads out of that meeting that i think of. the e-mail chain suggests the possibility, strongly suggests that don jr. gets on the phone with the son of the real estate developer, the person that rob goldstone represents, gets on the phone to have a broader conversation about what exactly is going on with all of this, and if that's true, i want to know what they talked about. >> right. that's not in the e-mails. if you look at the e-mail chains, there's this big gap where you just don't know what they talked about. >> right. they coordinated back and forth to say i'll have hi...