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We heard hillary clinton say the public is not interested in e-mail issue. do falling poll numbers deny that? >> totally. they cannot arrest the month to month bleeding in numbers that pat has well in the past described as a ma tast sizing cancer in her base. if you watch anything other than fox, they don't pay attention on other shows she's declining and in serious trouble now to maybe not win the nomination at all. these other networks act like next fall when so and so is debating, hillary is this and that. i'm telling you hillary is not making it. she will not be the democratic nominee. >> ...

Nobody asks me about this but you. i've experienced on the trail, voters at her events who have brought it up to me, i have not asked the question, they have said i'm concerned about these speed bumps with her. i said what do you mean by speed bumps. they'll say these e-mail issues. >> that's the thing the e-mail issue represents something to democratic voters that's much broader than -- >> clinton ads -- >> a stand-in. >> they don't understand exact did >> seems shady. there's something shady and that's what they bring up in conversation. >> in this quinnipiac national poll this week they did...

They've handled the e-mail issue poorly, maybe atrociously, certainly horribly. the campaign has been incredibly tone-deaf. they are just left playing defense. do you agree with ed rendell's assessment? >> hillary clinton said herself, i made mistakes in how i handled this and should have had two e-mail accounts. but really, there's only smoke here. it's stubborn smoke but it's just smoke. and the policy was clearly allowed. obviously, other secretary of states had done the exact same thing. and there is absolutely no factual basis she has done anything illegal. and the idea they keep pushing ...

Abortion. she mentioned jeb bush and compared some of the gop candidates to terrorists. listen. >> extreme views about women? we expect that from some of the terrorist groups. we expect that from people who don't want to live in the modern world. but it is a little hard to take coming from republicans. who want to be the president of the united states. >> now, the republican national committee immediately charged that this attack was a new low for her flailing campaign. she should apologize immediately after her inflammatory rhetoric. that from allison moore at the rnc. clearly there's no apol...

Arena, obviously they go down. >> that's when they start taking aim. i think that is also part of the concern for someone like joe biden. if your heart's not fully in it, if you're thinking about your legacy, watching what hillary clinton is going through right now, maybe it seems less worth it to jump into the arena. but i still think if i'm hillary clinton, you're keep an eye on what joe biden is doing, trying to smoke out his intentions. when polls are coming out and the number one word people associate with her is "liar," you've got to focus on your voters and making sure they feel comfort...