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Joy, it seems to me that i was stunned by two things this week. one, the absolute humiliating defeat of weiner, where he went down below where he belonged, where i always thought he belonged, and new york finally agreed, below five. i don't know who that was. i was looking at the people in his concession crowd there, who are these people? but they do exist and he got blown away. on the other hand, sanford comes back in, admittedly a conservative in a conservative district, but he got through the primaries and he won and he's a u.s. congressman now. your view about these two opposite cases? >> ...

Joy reid and steve mcmahon, we have a male and that female commentator here. perhaps that evens it out. i may have a totally different view than both of you. let's start with joy ann. joy, it seems to me that i was stunned by two things this week. one, the absolute humiliating defeat of weiner, where he went down below where he belonged, where i always thought he belonged, and new york finally agreed, below five. i don't know who that was. i was looking at the people in his concession crowd there, who are these people? but they do exist and he got blown away. on the other hand, sanford comes b...