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The question is whether or not that's sort of a typical relationship you'd want to have between the president and the director of the fbi. i don't think it's appropriate. >> well, michael, i mean, it's kind of like, that's what therapists are for. so let me -- comey writes in his memo, this is about another time, when he then started talking about, he says started talking about all the women who had falsely accused him of grabbing them, particular mention of a stripper who said he grabbed her, gave me the sense he was defending himself to me. i responded that we were not investigating him and ...

Honestly, i'm aghast that they thought this was going to be helpful to the president and undermine comey, therefore, the fbi, therefore, special counsel mueller. it -- i just -- i can't get over the fact that they made this calculation. i'm sure the president's not going to be sitting up tonight writing thank you letters to them. >> okay. fair enough. caroline, we've been combing through the james comey memos. this is another one for you, it says "at various times he talked about the inauguration and crowd size, the campaign and effective use of free media, earned media, the extraordinary luxu...

In fact, the president is supposed to be on loan to that position. and to that office. and everything he's talked to the fbi director about, everything he's talked about the memo, whether it's his fascination with the crowd size, or whether or not he can convince his wife that he wasn't having a party with some russian hookers in moscow, it's always about him. and the fascination of what people think about him, how he rights a wrong, how he's been harmed by the media and everybody else and these ladies who accused him of this, that and the other. it tells me that comey took great notes. it tel...

Would have asked his personal lawyer who we now know took care of things for the president that were inconvenient and whether in some strange way michael cohen may have been tasked with an issue that so concerned the president. the other thing that's in these memos that surprised me is james comey's enthusiasm for going after the press. i don't mean to sound petty and personal being a journalist, but i was a little surprised that comey talked about his willingness to go forward in prosecuting leaks in the way that trump wanted. >> comey talks about in that dinner on january 27th, a week after ...

Who is done taking [ bleep ] and is willing to literally put her life on the line, put her family on the line, put everything she has on the line in order to get to the truth and do the right thing. >> i love in that scrum of about 300 reporters, john heilemann just gets in the car with michael avenatti. the one guy in the car with avenatti. >> we were in the avenatti/daniels bubble from about 8:00 that morning until 8:00 that night. so that's a very small snatch of it. he's obviously very available to the media. the exclusivity of the interview isn't really the thing. it's a very circusy thin...