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Feet deep in some of these areas? >> still wither in underwater oceans and we don't have a lot of background of success in this, only found one aircraft in the ocean since 1948. again, this points to the take away that i want you to take away here is time to put the black box in the cloud. if we had the black box data in the cloud, we could find out more of what's happening inside that cockpit right now, even before we begin to find the black box in the ocean. >> you know, before i want to let you go, ask you a question, this is an airbus plane had these pilot-proof features whereas i understa...

There are vast ditches this is 18,000 feet deep here any wonder they can't find the plane when they had no idea where it really went in? in the java sea pinpoint where it went in should in the next hours or days have an idea exactly where flight 8105 is. >> that search resumes at daybreak? trace gal regular, thank you very much. check in with you later as news bar rants. joining us for more on this story is washington aviation expert, oliver mcgee. thank you so much for joining us. i want to ask you about something trace just reported, air traffic control refused the pilot's request to change ...

When it happened. the pilot ran into bad turbulence, he wanted to go around the storm and above and over the storm, which is unusual. he requested from the air traffic controllers to go from 32,000 feet up to 38,000 fete. at first they said, nope, not yet, the reason being, six other planes in that general vicinity. four minutes after that request flight 8105 disappeared all together, some believe because of that it must have been some at that time kath trough issic event. keep in mind you go back to the air france crash, it may very well be, experts say the fact that the pilots inside this pl...

So far? >> it is off until the morning light comes, about six or seven hours from now. they are checking land and sea, but the major focus you can see right here is the middle of the java sea about the size give or take a few square miles of tennessee. they have found oil slicks and other debris, no proof, no indication so far it comes from the missing plane. there are 15 ships involved in the search as well as seven airplanes and four helicopters. if you go ahead it is going to be an easier search than malaysia 870, because the depth of the water is only 150 feet. they can find the plane from...