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Axes on board as well. we have the former inspector general and congressman ed markey. let me start with you, ed, if i may. you want the tsa to relax rules, why? >> because in boston, nine al qaeda hijacked two planes back on 9/11. it's where i'm from. those guys used a box cutter just like this to take over those planes and the other two planes. this is still banned. what tsa is now saying is while this is still banned, this swiss army knife can be brought on to the same planes. that makes no sense what so ever. we have gone a long way since 9/11 where people after that incident were looking ...

>> it only seems to make sense to kip who wants machetes on board. we're going to leave it there. thank you for your time. i remain mystified why the tsa is doing this. most level headed americans do as well. coming up, live to rome. the latest on the cardinal's conclave. could we have a new pope by this time tomorrow? and i have three beautiful girls. i like taking advil® for a headache. it nips it in the bud. and i can be that mommy that i want to be. ♪ [ male announcer ] take action. take advil®.

It's wrong. i have introduced my legislation, the no knives aboard act to force congress to vote on this issue if tsa does not reverse itself. >> you ran the tsa for a number of years after 9/11. i want to say, i share why on earth tsa would start relaxing rules and allow knives on board? who needs to have a knife on board? >> the question is what could destroy an airplane. that vulnerability was closed later in the day when flight 93 went down. in the year since, that door is slammed shut. al qaeda is after much more sophisticated and more effective methods and especially bombs. what's happen...

The bomb parts. that's why administrators are after this so hard and willing to take the flak. he knows the officers have a limit number of moments in looking at the screen to find the bomb parts and fluttering through with a list of other objects that may be dangerous. i'm sympathetic. just like smoke detectors and playing words with friends, the faa, if there's a cabin safety, tsa needs to focus on bombs. it's a distraction from that critical mission to be fussing around with these knives. >> i have to say, i know you seem bemused by anybody thinking any plane can be charged with a knife, ye...

Inch. if you give a terrorist an inch, he'll take a mile. >> back to you, kidnp. a lot of people are bemused by the tsa, this particular time, when there's a major terrorist threat to the american people, you would allow knives when you could use them to intimidate and attack stewards or stewardesses and force your way by them into cockpits. >> no, no, not going to happen. >> how do you know? >> because they will be shot dead by air marshals or, you know -- >> just to clarify, there's a federal marshall aboard every single domestic flight in america? >> of course not. >> how do you know they a...