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50%, it's going to hurt you. so he's not operating alone. >> so you're saying cnn's other problems in prime time also undermine to some extent larry king's ratings. david zurawik, we're in a hyperpartisan era now, and do people's expectations of what they want from tv change from 1985? 1985 cnn was it, there was no other cable news network. do people now like more aggressive, more controversial interviews? >> you know, howie, i don't know -- i think they do. but i don't know if it's only the partisan nature of what's changed. it's our sense of attention. the whole culture. our sense of celebri...

>> specific people. piers morgan, who most americans know from that show, has a long history of interviewing in the uk. he actually had the historic interview of this last election of the new british prime minister. he interviewed sarah and gordon brown, then prime minister, who lost and had an interview that not unlike larry king with ross perot really took you inside the political process. and so i would guess that cnn looked at that, looked at the interview and said wait a minute, he's likeable like larry, he's someone that's be comfortable at night -- by the way, i think you're all wrong a...

Were they off the news and as on it as they had to be? you know, i think back to something like "nightline" with ted koppel where every night they were right off whatever was happening in the news. they needed to get that show a little better in its bookings, i think. >> and "nightline" is doing well. we had larry king talking to mick jagger on one of the -- tammy-k this format, which i think of as an old-fashioned variety show, a little bit of this, little bit of that, can it survive without larry king? >> well, i think it's going to be very tough. i've read the names of candidates. do you wa...