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Managing obesity. >> you say they get fat because. they don't eat enough meat? >> all these foods are processed foods, which started driving the obesity epidemic. >> i'll give you the last word. some of the things you say ared. you are healthier and happier being a vegan? >> makes youal happy? >> yeah. >> i'm happy eating junk food. >> we might have like a sugaro high from it, but if we want long-term health and happiness,w eating foods can make a huge difference that affects our hormones. >> i totally agree on that. >> yeah. this is something that we can easily agree on between seeingen and p...

>> so is jennifer lopez who recently said, i recommend the vegan diet because you wake up and feel great. ellen degeneres and natalie portman had vegan weddings. al gore came out as vegan. tia mowery cut this for peta. >> when you tend to eata meat, it's rather filling and full, extremely acidic, full of fatll and clogs up the arteries. >> yeah, rob. you paleo folks push lots of fol meat. >> really when you look at themt literature on the diet, the proceed dominance is vegetables. fruit, routes, nuts, tubers, seeds. it's about 60% of the calories should come from fruits and vegetables. >> guar...

>> it seems like so much common sense. like how could that not be true? but it will not -- the evidence that saturated fat leads to heart disease is just completelt dissolved. >> two big studies have come out and said wait a second. we can't show this is bad. >> two groups of scientists looked at the entire history ofk all the evidence against saturated fats and concluded that it's worse to eat carbohydrate, a big dinner of pasta than meat, butter, cheese dairy, eggs. >> and that's what americanshat did, switched to pasta. >> we do. we eat 11% less saturated fats and we switched from meat-base...

All over america. ho more and more women are usingnd both mazola corn oil and margarine. >> so if you're concerned about too much saturated fats, remember the best combination for cutting down saturated fats in the diet is mazola corn oil s and margarine. >> vegetable oils and margarine. most people switched to them. but oops, new research suggests we weren misled. saturated fat may be just fine, says this article in the "wall street journal" titled "the questionable link between saturated fat and heartqu disease." nina wrote it and you publishede a new book called "the big fat surprise." what...

Heart while polyunsaturated fats may help them. >> yes. the american heart association and the national institute of health, it's awkward for them to say that they were wrong for alh these years and -- >> i'll bet. >> institutions are like the opposite of good science. they can't flip flop on theirf o public. it needs t to be doubting it se. it's hard for institutions topul stay on top of the science andl do good science. o >> the food pyramid, it's all go about carbohydrates, eat lots of them. stay away from meat, saturated fat, whole milk. >> that bottom slab of the food pyramid has been ove...