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Official authority or influence for the purpose of interfering with or affecting the result of an election. it also forbids you from doing anything commercial. she seems to be guilty on both those fronts. >> right. and i remember when she did say if she'd go out and buy ivanka's shoes and handbags or whatever it was, that sean spicer said from the podium she was being counseled about it. and i'm told when president trump heard about that, he's like, no, she's not. i'm not counseling her. that's great. >> i'm guessing he's not the counselor of choice. >> he certainly didn't agree with the idea ...

If she'd go out and buy ivanka's shoes and handbags or whatever it was, that sean spicer said from the podium she was being counseled about it. and i'm told when president trump heard about that, he's like, no, she's not. i'm not counseling her. that's great. >> i'm guessing he's not the counselor of choice. >> he certainly didn't agree with the idea that she should have been counseled for that. so the fact, just to echo matthew's point, the fact that they made such a strong recommendation, this was a political appointee. again, this is not some deep state. this is a trump political appointee ...