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Ineffectual, the victims' advocates are not advocates. they're hand holders. they are people who can, you know, see victims through the system as the system revictimizes them and be there with them while this happens. the advocates are powerless to do anything for victims so that putting more advocates in the picture doesn't do anything at all. >> rebekah, let me go quickly to you for your reaction to what secretary gates was saying. >> right, my reaction to that is it's just a lot more lip service. we've been getting lip service from these people for many years now on we have a zero tolerance...

Picture doesn't do anything at all. >> rebekah, let me go quickly to you for your reaction to what secretary gates was saying. >> right, my reaction to that is it's just a lot more lip service. we've been getting lip service from these people for many years now on we have a zero tolerance policy. well, lip service doesn't change anything and my opinion, these are -- these numbers mean nothing but, hey, we've made adjustments here and there but they haven't made any changes, there's been no systemic change and i have to echo myla was saying that, you know, most of the training they -- we go thr...