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>> does he have a credibility advantage when it comes to donald trump? i don't think he has a credibility problem, because he's not working for the media, right, he's working for his client. if he doesn't think it's an van stageo ed advantageous to his client, they have all these court hearings going forward, we'll find out whether he has a credibility problem closer to the end of this process than at the beginning. yesterday -- i have spoken to a number of lawyers about his strategy, particularly his strategy of saying that, you know, this agreement is null and void because it violates public...

>> it was structured almost i'd dentdically. >> what does he need to do to at least be effective in his argument here? >> i don't think he can be particularly effective. i think the interesting thing about this is this is something that riles the base. it's unclear to me, it's clearly affordable care act is not popular as a piece of legislation, even though it's provisions are. but it's also clear to me that voters care either way. we're having this discussion about this abject piece of legislation that's not been implemented yet. it's not politicalliedy ed advantageous for romney to -- >> the...