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Referenced the fact that there were people on both sides of the argument around bussing. if the vice president was standing up and sort of making those arguments today that led him to the conclusion that he reached from a public policy standpoint, that would be one thing but that's not what he's doing. he's actually speaking in conflict to what is published and demonstrated record is on this issue. to senator kamala harris, i thought she was extremely effective particularly at this line of attack because she introduced into the conversation a very, very personal narrative talking about the fac...

Integrate her public schools and she was bussed to school every day. and that little girl was me. >> reporter: and it brought a quick rebuttal so what do the facts say? harris was truthful about her childhood growing up on this street. she was part of the bussing in the late 1960s. as she would write, i only learned later that we were part of a national experiment in desegregation and while she a young black girl was attending a mostly white school, joe biden was becoming a u.s. senator. >> around that same time, then senator joe biden changed his position on bussing and became anti bussing. h...

Should point out biden has a long history of supporting civil rights measures including the voting rights act. we spent the day following the former president and biden is clearly trying to do damage control today. what is he even saying? >> reporter: well, anderson, it's very clear joe biden knows he needed to clean up some of his statements from last night's debate. i was here earlier today when he gave that speech in front of a crowd that was mostly made up of black activists and black voters as he defended his past position on bussing and also his civil rights record overall. take a listen...

Versa, protests often violent broke out coast-to-coast and biden indeed began pushing back. listen to what he said on this date in 1977. >> i happen to think that the one way to ensure that you set the civil rights movement in america further back is to continue to push bussing. because it's a bankrupt policy. >> reporter: and now? >> i did not oppose bussing in america. what i opposed is bussing ordered by the department of education. >> reporter: that split hair likely won't satisfy per phone innoce -- per powe innocents of the policy. he b and better housing policies to make sure black fami...

Opposed voluntarily bussing. >> reporter: but as you noted, anderson, there were moments, several instances decades ago biden was there defending or trying to express his opposition to school bussing. i asked the campaign how they can reconcile his statements today with what he had said in the past and haven't gotten a full explanation. you also today heard biden trying to do a little cleanup when it came to comments relating to states' rights. biden today saying he does believe the federal government does need to be involved when it comes to issues of civil rights and integration but going fo...