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Of the shocks they try to use. they've not done well. you see the videos where the chechnyan forces are just chewed up. the better odds are to trade off time and do the siege warfare. >> client watts, thank you for explaining to us. we greatly appreciate it. it is obvious if they had gone in there the russians would have been ground down. let's bring in u.s. national editor at "the financial times" ed luce, and also bureau chief at polite ko jonathan lemire. ed, he doesn't have to sit now at a table the size of a football pitch. secondly, i think we are hearing

On sunday to persuade these left wing voters that however much they hate him they should fear her a lot more. it looks like from the numbers he is making that case. but, you know, this is pretty uncomfortable. she is up sort of 45%, 46%. almost half of france is supporting a neo fascist, and turnover is everything. so i agree with willie and joe's odds, but i'm not going to exhale until sunday night. >> all right. ed luce, thank you very much. to the latest in ukraine. russian president vladimir putin is ordering his forces not to storm the last ukrainian stronghold in the besieged city of m...

From paris. also national editor from "the financial times" ed luce is with us. ed reporting from "the financial times" mom and dad cottage somewhere in england, we'll get back to him in a second. keir, i loved what was said last night in the polls. the overwhelming majority said they thought macron was arrogant. the overwhelming majority also said they felt le pen was scary as hell. it looks like all in all macron takes away a victory from last night. what are you hearing? >> reporter: those are the first results from polling, joe, as you rightly mentioned. look, macron needed to see -- macro...

You and other cia agents have seen infamous footage when one such purge was going on inside iraq. >> right. in 1979 there's famous video footage that has been well-seen in the halls of langley where i used to work, where saddam hussein smoking a cigar called out his part officials to stand up, admit their failures and they're taken off for execution. it is sick and deranged. what they do to is to instill fear to get everybody in line short term, but long term it does not breed loyalty or a professional class and it certainly doesn't breed the ability or anyone to tell the dictator the truth. >...

Financial times." ed, it is so baffling for western intelligence we have gotten putin so wrong, we have gotten the russian military so wrong, we have gotten the people around him so wrong. this "times" of london report, this 150 in the purge. he has blamed his own for the failure. this is a guy who, my god, could end up like stalin and purging everybody around him. >> yeah, he could. of course, you know, we in recent past, not immediately recent past, have our own history of intelligence failures. you don't need to be anna okay be an autocracy for this.