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There so they upgraded him as a permanent member of this group and they downgraded the chairman. now, i just want people to think about this tonight, and i love ed's prospective on this, imagine if obama had said the chairman of the joint chiefs will come when i ask him to come in the room, but i'm putting the editor of buzzfeed on the principals' committee. i mean, would republicans be -- have a mind-blowing experience or what? >> i have no problem putting steve bannon, whatever the president wants him to. ed niese was counselor to the president, he served a similar role. the point you made e...

Imagine if obama had said the chairman of the joint chiefs will come when i ask him to come in the room, but i'm putting the editor of buzzfeed on the principals' committee. i mean, would republicans be -- ve a mind-blowing experience or what? >> i have no problem putting steve bannon, whatever the president wants him to. ed niese was counselor to the president, he served a similar role. the point you made earlier, the joint chiefs chairman is adviser to the president and secretary of defense by statute. the whole patriot act, the dci, by statute, again, those two people -- what difference sho...

The left wing media. those loud partisan voices, they are more dominant in the town square than they were in the '90s. the balance is more geared towards them. and i think you have to respect the personal experience of the attorney general and the president and how they feel about it. i don't think you can just disregard it. >> i'm not -- >> i'm not saying you are. >> i'm not disregarding it as a white man. i'm just saying somebody with two eyes who was there in the 1990s and even if you weren't there in the '90s you could see how bill clinton and reno were treated. it looks pretty much the sa...

Shreds. it's hard ball. it's tough. i just -- again, and this goes past just what eric holder said yesterday. we've been hearing this for six years suggesting that there's race behind everything. no. no. there's really not. this is what happens in washington, d.c. it happened to bill clinton. it happened to george w. bush. it happened to robert bork. it happened to ed niese. it happened to richard nixon. it happens to people that step up to the states. the other side always wants to knock your head off. people say why is everybody tough. i could be an accountant in pensacola, florida, if you w...

>> this is why we can't get a clean vote here. he is actually following a strategy run by these billionaires and these washington insiders like niese who have laid this out. >> and here's the thing, rev. the most ironic portion, i think, of their talking points is the one where they call this particular bill, this act obama care a train wreck. everything that the koch brothers touches is a train wreck. you know from your work, your advocacy work with alec, the koch brothers are right there. whether it's the stand your ground laws, the voter i.d. laws, all of these things are train wrecks. the ...