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Daniel barnz. we can't let you go without concerning there are protesters across the street. this is not something you're unfamiliar with but tell me about the passions ignited over this. >> i'm not surprised. everybody is fired up at schools in education and i think it's great they are here tonight voicing -- this is a movie that's all about protests and people standing up for what they believe in. i think it's great they are here doing the same thing. >> and well the other thing to say is, there are a lot of actors in what makes a school, and there are a lot of pieces in the puzzle. there's ...

So our argument has been about, let's do real evaluations. let's fix the broken system of evaluations. let's focus on what have i taught and what can kids learned? i think the issue really has become is learning reduced to a test score? either for a child or for a child's teacher? and what we need to do is focus on lots of different ways to assess learning. but evaluation? of course we have to have evaluation, just like we have to have, you know, just like we have to have preparation. just like we have to have resources for teachers to really be able to engage with kids. >> do you think if the...

Same thing. it's about frustration with the public school system. the inability to measure what's going on there, the inability to measure whether or not the children are learning anything and whether or not the teachers are doing their jobs. and that frustration is what, i think, pointed to things like charter school and standardized tests. >> joining me here on the red carpet, one of the stars of "won't back down," two-time oscar nominee, viola davis. a pleasure to be here. >> thank you very much. >> we are happy to see you and congratulations on the film. >> thank you. >> in the recent film...

They are struggling to stay open. >> as we look at the ed reform issue, it is not a color problem but an american problem. >> absolute xwli. >> congrats on the film. thank you for being here. coming up, maggie gyllenhaal is joining me. and we'll look at success and failure inside the classroom. the rest of my discussion is after the break.

Responsibility to the kids as well? >> randy, my first question to you is about teacher evaluations, because there's a lot of hue and cry over how much import they should have in the reform process. and i draw your attention to a map of states requiring annual teacher evaluations, this is from last year. the 22 states require annual teacher evaluations. 12 states require that student achievement be part of the evaluations, but i guess the logic is if students are evaluated, if students are tested, why shouldn't teacher bs? >> of course teachers should be evaluated. the notion teachers shouldn'...