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He was asking you to do something unlawful? he's demanding under oath for you to say, yes, you would stand up. and you told th-senator jeff sessions of alabama thas what you would do. and appears to me that you kept your word. apparently it's okay to keep your word depending upon who the administration is. but i'm proud of you for keeping your word when the president tried to set a religious test for entrance into this country. something most first-year law students would say was unconstitutional, you said you were not going to uphold it. i wish that mr. sessions and others had kept it as cons...

National security, do people really need to know? is there some line out there? >> so, i think there is an ethical line. and i've criticized wikileaks for publishing, for example, information from john podesta's e-mail inbox that had no public interest or from the dnc. but that's not what they're talking about. that's not illegal to publish -- to make a bad editorial judgment. what they're talking about is publishing top secret information from the cia, from the pentagon, and that's when you get into the traditional reporting that the "the new york times" and the washington post and nbc news d...

Judgment, but "the washington post" itself said it was a mistake to publish the cartoon. it's pulled it off the website and out of the paper. and just an aside for you, ted cruz is now raising money off the snafu. his goal, and he put this on the internet out to his supporters, is to raise $1 million for his campaign. all right. let's talk about donald trump now. donald trump says as president, he would cut everyone's taxes, but without increasing the deficit. if that sounds too good to be true, well, you know how the saying goes, it probably is. cnn chief business correspondent christine ro...

It can be a fine line between that kind of editorial judgment and a self-censorship. this goes too far. too incendiary. it could be too dangerous. >> you think that critique will be there. that evaluation of work will be there that maybe hasn't been there in the past. >> i don't know if people will be up front about it. it works in insidious ways. we can't exclude that. every editor who is going to look at a cartoon that is inflammatory. >> there used to be a mind-set print it let's go you know. it might not be like that. is that what i'm hearing? >> there is a time too when you could deny the...

My producer is telling us we have to go. we're in a serious time right now as we're talking about these threats of violence. we're in a serious time about a lot of leaked information that's the product of crime. and so the press has to think deeply about the responsibility it wants to play. we have a wide legal berth and then we have to make decisions about weighing that, editorial judgment, what is valuable and constructive here. there's information that's come out that's useful. some of it, social security numbers and others, that i wouldn't publish. so, it's a tough one. we're in a tough ti...