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>> tim, this is something, it was a major. but to alexei's point. it really stands. this is what will be an issue that republicans. likely needed to do in 2024. at a strategy, is this going to be helped or hurt gop chances this kind of approach. >> yeah, there's potential there the cases of the other republicans. the way to do this, and political powerful. versus a way that is gonna make republicans be weird and extreme. >> you are saying that youngkin did it the right way? >> youngkin won. he won. >> what did he do, what is he doing that say, if you doing something different that say rhonda s...

>> you think that's what the code for? don't think it sort of dog whistling? >> both. >> i think this is certainly more than government. look at this whole ap course backlash. he's really tapping into something that you can't necessarily say want to come across as a racist, right? a lot of these issues that we're talking about we're talking about racial justice. or talk about equality. we talk about what matters. the idea that you can say as rhonda scent is, there's no educational value and in a peak course. that's insulting to the entire african american community. it's insulting to the commu...

I think that the separate the. to there's a hard right that it's plain crazy in congress. i think desantis is, again, chris is like a fox thing. moderate, more rational crazies, i guess, for the back of work, or playing these education issues. they do see it as a way to get this sort of dog whistle white suburban voter on their side. think about. it is not just the ap black american history. it's, don't say gay. also education issue. really hammering on these education issues in florida. i think we're going to see it up until he knows for president. this is how we get a national stage. how he'...

Staff. >> what is to prevent going for? >> white voters who are uncomfortable. >> fox, this is what desantis is trying to do. something happened in virginia. right? old dog whistle. i think that the separate the. to there's a hard right that it's plain crazy in congress. i think desantis is, again, chris is like a fox thing. moderate, more rational crazies, i guess, for the back of work, or playing these education issues. they do see it as a way to get this sort of dog whistle white suburban voter on their side. think about. it is not just the ap black american history. it's, don't say gay. al...

Awards. although i guess we still are waiting for all the evidence to come in. >> and while that evidence is coming in i think you can't turn away from glenn youngkin, who very much parlayed the issue of education and parental rage into office. i mean, this was the issue that really fueled him. and so the fact that he is latching onto this just shows you how -- i mean, he knows that this is very much something that he's hearing from parents and those same parents -- these people might have voted for joe biden but they also voted for glenn youngkin because of this education issue. he knows this...