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From khalid sheikh mohammed came from winning his trust and from standard interrogation. >> you don't really know that because you weren't there weather interrogators. those us on the outside don't know. i have active security clearances. there are ways i get information on projects i work on. but i'm not entitled to hear everything and learn everything. we'll only know this much about the operation, and we should only know this much about the operation. we don't want to put sources at harm's way. martha: the president has been through his own education process. every president has a learning ...

I felt it was demeaning to women. i just thought it was completely, completely out of line. >> now, earlier in the day they -- the university said, we support our professors. it was part of the education process, therefore, we're standing by the class. however, you see there, there was a bit of an about-face. >> well, once it gets into mainstream and people they have to save face. i guess the woman involved in the sex act tweeted, in quotes, the tweet was, for a real education you need multiple sources of information. i think this was the point of this. there you go. coming up, the family th...

So very nice to talk about deficits. it's an important issue. but that's not going to help people get numbers. >> but what is that -- how does that interrelate to the democrats and the continuing -- if the other is an outlie r, it's a permanent fixture in this process. >> right. that's the most obvious thing that democrats can effect is the enth enthus yachl in their own base. there's an education process that needs to go on, both about the realities of republicans taking control of congress and also about what the president and his team and democrats have done. if democrats do not care about ...

And people -- it's an important issue. but that's not going to help people get jobs in the short term. and that's the priority that voters say in poll after poll they want to see. >> but what is that -- how does that interrelate to the democrats and this continuing -- if the other one's an outlier, the continuing hole in the enthusiasm gap number? that's not an outlier. that's certainly consistent now. it looks like it's a permanent fixture in this process. >> right. that's the most obvious thing that democrats can affect, is the enthusiasm in their own base. you've got to ask the question. wh...

Democrats again. if nobody defends and articulates the values, who will? somebody has got to stand up and say, these are good values. nobody is doing the education process, the white house or anybody else, we need to have more aggressive efforts on that. and the people have to push for that. i think it's a good job that you are doing that but it has to be an aggressive effort by everyone involved. >> i love to hear that. all right. keith, thank you so much. i'm going to end it on a note where i 100% agree with you. >> okay. coming up, blago is guilty but still plenty of courtroom drama ahead...