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Let me play some of his statements from a senate hearing in june 2013. >> as we consider further reforms, the role of the commander should remain central. our goals should be to hold commanders more accountable, not render them less able to help us correct the crisis. the commander's responsibility to preserve order and discipline is essential to effecting change. they punish criminals and they protect victims when and where no other jurisdiction is capable of doing so or awe lawfully able to do so. commanders are accountable for all that goes on in a unit. and ultimately, they're response. f ...

Demotion is the right word, he's still going to be chief of staff and is going to stick around but daley himself has said he has gone after the 2012 election, it had always been his plan. the trouuth is david plouffe ha always been the power inside this white house so i think it's more a reflection of the frustration people have felt internally and externally and it's the white house reacting to that and trying to figure out the right formula, particularly in dealing with capitol hill. when you have harry reid and nancy pelosi and their staffs routinely voicing frustration with their dealings ...

Them on. and i'm not really part of it. but i always think that a distrust of the government is the healthiest thing that americans can have. i think the country has built the most american thing you can have is the distrust of leaders. don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters. >> i don't completely share the same opinion with ben. i -- i feel like the tea party group in particular isn't really -- i mean they can sort of mask themselves as saying it's about taxes and about all the other issues, but i find it to be sort of this upper middle class white run organization that's not really ...

The healthiest thing americans can have. i think that the country was built, the most american thing you can have is a distrust of leaders. don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters. >> larry: rachael? >> well, i don't completely share the same opinion with penn. i feel like the tea party group in particular isn't really -- i mean, they can sort of mask themselves as saying it's about taxes and it's about all these other issues. but i really find it to be sort of this upper middle-class white-run organization that's not really -- that's not really about effecting change. it's about the s...

With them on and i'm not really part of it. i always think a distrust of the government is the healthiest thing americans can have. the country was built, the most american thing you can have is a distrust of leaders. don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters. >> larry: rachel? >> i don't completely share the same opinion with penn. i feel like the tea party group in particular isn't really, i mean they can mask themselves saying it is about taxes and all these other issues but i really find it to be sort of this upper middle class white run organization that's not really about effecting...