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Them on. and i'm not really part of it. but i always think that a distrust of the government is the healthiest thing that americans can have. i think the country has built the most american thing you can have is the distrust of leaders. don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters. >> i don't completely share the same opinion with ben. i -- i feel like the tea party group in particular isn't really -- i mean they can sort of mask themselves as saying it's about taxes and about all the other issues, but i find it to be sort of this upper middle class white run organization that's not really ...

The healthiest thing americans can have. i think that the country was built, the most american thing you can have is a distrust of leaders. don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters. >> larry: rachael? >> well, i don't completely share the same opinion with penn. i feel like the tea party group in particular isn't really -- i mean, they can sort of mask themselves as saying it's about taxes and it's about all these other issues. but i really find it to be sort of this upper middle-class white-run organization that's not really -- that's not really about effecting change. it's about the s...

And knowing what's really going on out there. >> larry: what do you think of the tea party? >> there is a lot i disagree with them on, and i'm not really part of it. but i always think a distrust of the government is the healthiest thing americans can have. i think that the country was built, the most american thing you can have is a distrust of leaders. don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters. >> larry: rachel? >> i don't completely share the same opinion with penn. i feel like the tea party group in particular isn't really -- i mean, they can sort of mask themselves as saying it's ab...

I feel like the tea party group in particular isn't really -- i mean, they can sort of mask themselves as saying that it's about taxes and it's about all these other issues, but i really find it to be sort of this upper middle class white-run organization that's not really -- that's not really about affecting change. it's about the sort of -- i do tend to think it's more -- >> larry: class? >> i wouldn't say class, i would say it's more about racism as opposed to being a really political -- >> that's the magic word. once you say racism, the other side loses automatically. i don't think we have...