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Point to make on this day when roger is exactly where he likes to be, in the center of things. i met him 39 years ago here in this city, ari, and the thing that i think is most apt is not accidental that he mentioned paul manafort, his former business partner. it's important to remember as we watch roger perform, he's much smarter than paul manafort. always has been. roger kept the nixon, reagan bush accounts when reagan was playing footsie with the filipino dictators. roger is not going to roll over. he wore shipped nixon. he respects trump as a fellow new york tricks terr and con man. if he ...

What he's saying, because he still is a very effective con man. he's negotiating right now in public with the president of the united states, in my view, as someone who has known him for almost four decades. he says, i'm going to tell the truth. that's a threat to the president. i think he does not expect to get a pardon, but i think he does expect to deal -- to make a deal. he will make it if he's got something he can give mueller. the one thing i would say at this point of this surface is don't forget this guy will turn on trump. >> i don't want to speculate. we try very hard to tick to it. ...