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Phase of the effort occupation. the soviet experience and afghanistan in 1982 and '89 give a sense of how tall an order mr. putin has chosen. you look at that, you look at how the forces are right now. he's intent on capturing more of the country. is he looking for an off ramp between now and then? >> i hope he's looking for an off ramp. in shakespeare'smac beth, i'm going to paraphrase it, i don't want the english professors to get mad. there's a line -- i'm so steep in blood, i have to continue, i can't turn back. i just worry where putin is right now, given how far he has gone, given the sc...

On key ukrainian cities, mr. putin will find himself in an entirely different phase of the effort occupation. experience in afghanistan in 1980 through 1989 given how tall an order mr. putin has chosen. how tall an order do you think lit be? the ukrainian people are full of fight, it appears. he's going have a long-term situation on his hands. >> there will be a ferocious insurgency. he barely has enough troops to take the country right now. but i want to hear latham. he has military experience. i don't. i understand it's one thing to take a city. but the sniper fire and the attacks they will ...