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That. he's joking about isis and then macron says, we need to be serious about that. he's not used to that, is he? >> well, what's happening, don, is you know, early on these foreign leaders walked on eggshells around donald trump, didn't know what he was going to do. macron's kind of stood up to him from the beginning. i think these leaders throughout nato, our allies are beginning to say, you know, we're not going to take this anymore. we're going to speak out. we're going to stand up for the things that we believe in. that could represent a withering, an unraveling of that that's kept the p...

Is you know, early on these foreign leaders walked on eggshells around donald trump, didn't know what he was going to do. macron's kind of stood up to him from the beginning. i think these leaders throughout nato, our allies are beginning to say, you know, we're not going to take this anymore. we're going to speak out. we're going to stand up for the things that we believe in. that could represent a withering, an unraveling of that that's kept the peace in the world for such a long period of time. it is very concerning to me the kind of relationships we have with the brits and the french and t...

Don't know. >> i don't think it's -- >> i think the difference here is that obama had to prove that white voters would vote for a black nominee, and that's what happened in iowa. pete clearly doesn't have that same challenge. white voters seem to like him. >> but you say he's uneven, then. you know, he can be passionate about one thing and doesn't seem really comfortable about something else. i mean you look at every candidate, they're like that. look at joe biden. joe biden tonight, how uneven -- i know you gave him a "d." >> for the second half. he got a "b" in the first half. >> so maybe a ...

Living defending the president at all costs, even if it means making a fool of themselves in the process. the fact is these people are career professionals. they have things to say. not everything they had to say was jermaine to the matter. but they had things to say, they said it, they did their professional duty, they've served their country. we ought to thank them and move on. that's what made the president's move on friday, to attack the ambassador with the tweets while she was testifying, frankly, strategically stupid. she was talking in a very heartfelt way about her service, about the t...

Pete: welcome back. grammy no, ma'am named singer ellie goulding will be performing at the cowboys thanksgiving day halftime show after threatening it pull out of the event. it all started when she posted a photo of self-serving at the salvation army when some followers of hers accused her of supporting an organization they say discriminates against the lgbtq community. here with more is alex clark, spokesperson for turning point u.s.a. and host of -- good morning. >> good morning, pete. pete: this subject when faced with the mob she caved. now she is performing again. what do you make of this...