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Decide how to prepare him. but i do think what she's going to raise are the 3:00 a.m. issues keeping people up at night and that is what she's talking to people on the trail about. >> and michael bennet of colorado is touring the stage, last of the ten candidates to get a feeling for the lectern and the microphone and taj -- the stage up there. we saw your senator harris up there. did she look what she saw? >> i think so. it issa beautiful historic theater. she's thrilled to be here in detroit. an iconic american city. but obviously every stage is different. so it is good to get a feel for it ...

Point. your previous guest alluded to this fact. the torture, the cia operatives who did torturing are afraid of being prosecuted. they're afraid of being thrown under the bus. that's a very understandable position. i'm actually against the idea of prosecuting the agents who did the torturing. >> why? >> my friends in the human rights field will be upset at me for saying that for ekwif kating but it goes back to stanley mcchrystal's article in 2010 or so. it's important for the agency in particular to have faith in their civilian leadership. secondly, i'm afraid it would lead to a show trial a...