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Needed to do. you have to make see what you can do to make healthcare work. >> let's talk about the reaction from the other candidates. sanders is reacting to this campaign ad. this new poll. that was released yesterday. showing him neck in neck with biden and warren. they believe the polling opens the doors for an electability argument. does it? >> it could. you have to see a few more ads like this. and you have a big swing here in terms of of the margin of error is big. if you're bernie sanders you have to look around and say when do i get some love here? people have been writing he off sinc...

Bernie sanders is reacting to this campaign, to this new ad now, to this new monmouth poll i should say that was released yesterday showing him rung neck and neck with biden and warren. 9 campaign believes this polling opens the door for an electability argument. does it? what do you i? >> it could. you have to see a few more ads like this. and of course you have a big swing here in terms of the margin of error is pretty big on this poll. but listen, if you're bernie sanders you've got to be looking around saying hey, when do i get some love sneer i -- people have been writing me off since the...

Saying i don't care. >> just looking at the polling, to your point the voters, look, it really isn't surprising. the thing about that ad to your point is that it is empathetic and emotional is that it is joe biden in his authentic self. i think that's why it's resonating and that's what people know of joe biden, being comforted. the thing that i would, just a red flag phon their campaifor tu throw electability out the window here, you throw that out. you look at the polls and multiple polls show about five of the other contenders beating donald trump. here's the thing, we're looking at nationa...

Seeing from bullock and delaney. here is what i would say, chris, and there is a point in what they've said. if you are not on this stage, if you are trailing in national polls, training in money, you've got one tool in your tool kit and that is to organize in a state that you think you could possibly pull off some type of jut set or at least a newsworthy showing. so organize in iowa, organize in new hampshire, organize in nevada or south carolina, one of those. that's really all you've got left at this point. in terms of those who also are now in that group, i think somewhat of a surprise at ...

Way since essentially bragging rights are going to a whole bunch of them? >> well, i think that joe biden has actually started to realize that in addition to making an electability argument he also has to make an argument on policy and that's why you see him, you know, sort of rolling out a discussion around health care, he did some ads focusing on health care reform and connecting that to himself personally. but i've always believed that this race is about head and it's about heart. voters are going to have to make a decision about somebody who can beat donald trump, electable, but also someb...