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Did, where there's never no proof of any wrongdoing, does that in and of itself mean he was trying to interfere in the 2020 election? >> well, we spent two years investigating whether or not there was collusion with the russian government. here the president directly solicited the ukrainian government for what some would say assistance in the upcoming federal election. so there's -- one would argue there's the exclusion, conspiracy right there. the president himself is directly soliciting -- >> is that impeachable? >> that's a good question. that's up to the house of representatives. i'm kind ...

Not going to worry about this. i'm going to talk to you about what i want to do when i get to the white house. would that be a better strategy? >> that's something that biden is going to have to make the turn to do. while it's true, he does get to say i'm in a one on one match up with trump. it's a war of words, trump is afraid of me. the unfortunate reality is we're having flash backs of 2016 for good reason. this is not something biden wanting to be talking about. >> reporters, every time he comes out and we hear this, you're not asking donald trump the questions i think you should be asking...

Corruption. >> a large part of the conversation i had was corruption, the corruption taking place. largely the fact we don't want people like vice president biden and his son contributing to the corruption already in the ukraine. >> what did you tell the ukrainian president about joe biden and his son? >> you're going to see because what we are doing, we want honesty. it's very important to talk about corruption. if you don't talk about corruption, why would you give money to a country that you think is corrupt? one of the reasons the new president got elected is he was going to stop corruptio...

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Receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a u.s. election. this is not a novel concept. i believe this comes right after the mueller testimony talking about what happened with russian interference in the 2016 election. joyce, given that statement, how do you assess what the president is doing? >> this is another one of the options. we talked a little bit about the bribery statute. it would certainly be something you would want to investigate in this situation. the campaign finance accusation is relatively clear and you will recall in the mueller report the question a...