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Happened, including the actions that are the ground for obstruction of justice of this particular investigation. so that's what he is willfully casting aside. >> right. >> of course nobody can draw a conclusion about whether there was collusion at this point. that's why you have two things going on. you have a legal investigation by bob mueller and a political process, all the stuff on the hill. >> when you look at that transcript that came out, other than the senate intelligence committee, it is hard to have a lot of confidence these politicians are doing anything other than cya. we may be pr...

>> i was the campaign manager for the winning part of the campaign. >> right. >> and the idea that we would have to look any further than hillary clinton to beat hillary clinton itself is a fantasy. i don't need to talk to anybody in moscow. i was talking to people in mechlinburg county, north carolina. there is no reason to go outside hillary clinton and how unattractive her positions are, the forgotten woman she was. we beat her fairly and squarely in this country through this democrat elected process. some people can't get over the election. >> says my friend who can't keep hillary clinton'...

From the very beginning. ultimately this is a political street fighting strategy that he is pursuing here. republicans are in control of congress. they are in control of these investigations. and i think to john's point, the danger here for critics of the president is overreach and in a political process which is anything that congress does as a political process is going to be different than what the independent counsel -- >> there's risk for the zeal of the left who see action here just like we see with the 25th amendment overreach as a common sin on that side of the ball. but i don't think ...