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>> yeah, at first there was initial six firing and there was a brief pause. and after that pause, the gunman resumed firing, but after that i didn't hear any more gunshots at that time. >> how far did you -- were you able to run to get away? >> i ran as quick as i could. i ran about maybe 30 feet away from where the firing was happening. and i was running with the crowd toward where the busses were. luckily a bus was there and i was able to get on there quickly. because, you know, in those situations you don't know whether or not you're being chased or, you know, what the gunman is doing. you ...

That we can do. >> right. >> there's -- it's a sense of hopelessness, but trying to find the hope within that, it's quite difficult because, you know, like you said, we see these incidents happening all the time. i never thought that i would be involved in such an incidents, and, you know, it hit me pretty hard that -- >> right. >> -- you know, it can be any one of us. and if i was two minutes away from -- if i stood where i was near the stage for two more minutes, i would have been an easy target because, you know, at that time things were winding down. there were not that many people left. t...

>> yeah. >> okay. was she saying anything to you guys? >> yeah, she was crying and she was saying she was in a lot of pain, but not really anything else. and to call her mom. >> and i know that her mom, her parents are at the hospital right now, right? >> yeah. >> okay. as are your parents, whom i've spoken to. this is not what you expected when you came to visit your family, i think needless to say? >> no. that was crazy. i wasn't expecting that. >> you're very calm right now. i imagine it was absolutely terrifying, though. >> well, i was calm, but, yeah, it was freaky. it was just -- i was i...

Having. we're so glad that you're okay and thank you so much, lex de la heron on the phone with us. >> thank you. >> all the best to you, lex. >> let's bring back in our experts we've been talking with. juliette kayyem, jonathan wackrow and former philadelphia police commissioner charles ramsey. back to you, juliette. you've been listening as we've been hearing more about this shooter, the proximity to these thousands of people and that there has been a rifle recovered, but the shooter, it seems to be, remains at large. >> that's what we're hearing from eyewitnesss. actually there is a bit of ...