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Does the message to the rest of america, and let's, you know, be explicit and say white america in particular, does that message sometimes become counterproductive? i'm just thinking about black lives matter and the degree to which, for some people inside the black lives matter movement, it became very important for a systematic overhauling of police services across the united states. there was a very interesting moment in last november's election cycle where, in minneapolis, there was on the ballot the idea of replacing the police department with what i think was being called a department of ...

Overhauling of police services across the united states. there was a very interesting moment in last november's election cycle where, in minneapolis, there was on the ballot the idea of replacing the police department with what i think was being called a department of public safety and the public who voted in that election overwhelmingly rejected the idea because they felt that their own personal security was now on the line. do you think this is being pushed too far in certain circumstances? well, i think the media pays a lot of attention on extremes. i really do. i mean, what i'm talking abo...

Does the message to the rest of america, and let's, you know, be explicit and say white america in particular, does that message sometimes become counterproductive? i'm just thinking about black lives matter and the degree to which, for some people inside the black lives matter movement, it became very important for a systematic overhauling of police services across the united states. there was a very interesting moment in last november's election cycle where, in minneapolis, there was on the ballot the idea of replacing the police department with what i think was being called a department of ...

Does the message to the rest of america, and let's, you know, be explicit and say white america in particular, does that message sometimes become counterproductive? i'm just thinking about black lives matter and the degree to which, for some people inside the black lives matter movement, it became very important for a systematic overhauling of police services across the united states. there was a very interesting moment in last november's election cycle where, in minneapolis, there was on the ballot the idea of replacing the police department with what i think was being called a department of ...

There was a very interesting moment in last november's election cycle where, in minneapolis, there was on the ballot the idea of replacing the police department with what i think was being called a department of public safety and the public who voted in that election overwhelmingly rejected the idea because they felt that their own personal security was now on the line. do you think this is being pushed too far in certain circumstances? well, i think the media pays a lot of attention on extremes. i really do. i mean, what i'm talking about is a larger historical struggle to get the country to ...